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		<title>Comment on Accelerating our Mission by Sean Phelan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Phelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re excited to have Ocarina join the Dell Team.   Looking forward to bringing the benefits of content aware compression to our customers to help them grow and thrive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re excited to have Ocarina join the Dell Team.   Looking forward to bringing the benefits of content aware compression to our customers to help them grow and thrive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Get Ready for Dedupe 2.0 by Enterprise Features</title>
		<link>http://onlinestorageoptimization.com/index.php/get-ready-dedupe/comment-page-1/#comment-6328</link>
		<dc:creator>Enterprise Features</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really excited about the Globabl Dedupe feature. I&#039;ve been hearing a lot about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really excited about the Globabl Dedupe feature. I&#8217;ve been hearing a lot about it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dedupe Or Compression? Both! Optimization or Performance? Both! by Tweets that mention Online Storage Optimization » Blog Archive » Dedupe Or Compression? Both! Optimization or Performance? Both! -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Online Storage Optimization » Blog Archive » Dedupe Or Compression? Both! Optimization or Performance? Both! -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 22:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by JPR Communications, Ocarina Networks. Ocarina Networks said: New Blog Post by Carter George: Dedupe Or Compression? Both! Optimization or Performance? Both! http://bit.ly/bSkhQx /cc @wikibon [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by JPR Communications, Ocarina Networks. Ocarina Networks said: New Blog Post by Carter George: Dedupe Or Compression? Both! Optimization or Performance? Both! <a href="http://bit.ly/bSkhQx" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bSkhQx</a> /cc @wikibon [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Compression and Dedupe like Oil &amp; Water? by josephmartins</title>
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		<dc:creator>josephmartins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 15:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit late for me to comment, but I will anyway.

I don&#039;t know why, but there is a misconception among practitioners about the technologies we all refer to as compression and deduplication. They aren&#039;t oil and water. They&#039;re more like two different flavors of water. 

A few of my past comments about the topic can be found here:
http://wikibon.org/wiki/v/Pitfalls_of_compressing_online_storage

I wrote, &quot;De-dupe (of the type the storage industry now markets) IS a form of compression. Traditional &quot;dedupe&quot; (aka compression) occurs within a file (e.g. gif, jpg, zip, tar, etc) where the data resides along with its dictionary. In contrast, storage-level de-dupe is executed across files and repositories using an external &quot;dictionary&quot; managed separately from the files. That is to say, compression is little more than ultra-granular deduplication occurring within a file.&quot;

Obviously, it is always possible to further compress data that has been &quot;deduplicated&quot; by looking for redundancy at a more granular level than that which was used to deduplicate the original data. It is no different, in practice, than turning up the level of compression or deduplication from low to high such that comparisons are made between decreasingly smaller strings.


So, Mike, figures such as 50% compression, 20% deduplication and a combined 55% (dedupe and compression) are absolutely meaningless without additional context. The outcome of each test would depend on the base (and relative) levels of compression/deduplication. Crank up dedupe (using smaller or variable length strings) and the benefit from further compression will drop. Dial back the dedupe and the benefits from further compression will jump. A useful (if imperfect) analogy: It&#039;s a bit like compressing a JPG in Photoshop using the &quot;low&quot; setting, then compressing the output file again using the &quot;high&quot; setting....albeit lossy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit late for me to comment, but I will anyway.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why, but there is a misconception among practitioners about the technologies we all refer to as compression and deduplication. They aren&#8217;t oil and water. They&#8217;re more like two different flavors of water. </p>
<p>A few of my past comments about the topic can be found here:<br />
<a href="http://wikibon.org/wiki/v/Pitfalls_of_compressing_online_storage" rel="nofollow">http://wikibon.org/wiki/v/Pitfalls_of_compressing_online_storage</a></p>
<p>I wrote, &#8220;De-dupe (of the type the storage industry now markets) IS a form of compression. Traditional &#8220;dedupe&#8221; (aka compression) occurs within a file (e.g. gif, jpg, zip, tar, etc) where the data resides along with its dictionary. In contrast, storage-level de-dupe is executed across files and repositories using an external &#8220;dictionary&#8221; managed separately from the files. That is to say, compression is little more than ultra-granular deduplication occurring within a file.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously, it is always possible to further compress data that has been &#8220;deduplicated&#8221; by looking for redundancy at a more granular level than that which was used to deduplicate the original data. It is no different, in practice, than turning up the level of compression or deduplication from low to high such that comparisons are made between decreasingly smaller strings.</p>
<p>So, Mike, figures such as 50% compression, 20% deduplication and a combined 55% (dedupe and compression) are absolutely meaningless without additional context. The outcome of each test would depend on the base (and relative) levels of compression/deduplication. Crank up dedupe (using smaller or variable length strings) and the benefit from further compression will drop. Dial back the dedupe and the benefits from further compression will jump. A useful (if imperfect) analogy: It&#8217;s a bit like compressing a JPG in Photoshop using the &#8220;low&#8221; setting, then compressing the output file again using the &#8220;high&#8221; setting&#8230;.albeit lossy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Protecting Compressed Data and Reducing Costs by Tweets that mention Online Storage Optimization » Blog Archive » Protecting Compressed Data and Reducing Costs -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Online Storage Optimization » Blog Archive » Protecting Compressed Data and Reducing Costs -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 16:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Emulex Links, Ocarina Networks. Ocarina Networks said: New Blog Post: Protecting Compressed Data and Reducing Costs http://bit.ly/dzO1XZ /cc @storagebod #dataprotection #dedupe #shrinkage [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Emulex Links, Ocarina Networks. Ocarina Networks said: New Blog Post: Protecting Compressed Data and Reducing Costs <a href="http://bit.ly/dzO1XZ" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/dzO1XZ</a> /cc @storagebod #dataprotection #dedupe #shrinkage [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on If You Do Dedupe on Primary Storage, Do You Have to Expand It to do Backups? by Mike Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 16:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul, we are installed alongside a lot of Isilon systems in the market and consider them to be a partner. We have found a lot of success with Isilon in specific markets such as film production and life sciences where traditional deduplication doesn&#039;t deliver any results. The two products work well together, but we think there are ways to further improve the integration level. We would look forward to any opportunity to work closer with Isilon on integration projects, including fully embedded solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul, we are installed alongside a lot of Isilon systems in the market and consider them to be a partner. We have found a lot of success with Isilon in specific markets such as film production and life sciences where traditional deduplication doesn&#8217;t deliver any results. The two products work well together, but we think there are ways to further improve the integration level. We would look forward to any opportunity to work closer with Isilon on integration projects, including fully embedded solutions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Expanding Role Of Data Deduplication by Tweets that mention Online Storage Optimization » Blog Archive » Expanding Role Of Data Deduplication -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Online Storage Optimization » Blog Archive » Expanding Role Of Data Deduplication -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 00:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Ocarina Networks. Ocarina Networks said: Expanding Role Of Data Deduplication: http://ow.ly/1M774 #dedupe [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on If You Do Dedupe on Primary Storage, Do You Have to Expand It to do Backups? by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 12:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any news on integration with Isilon Systems storage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any news on integration with Isilon Systems storage?</p>
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		<title>Comment on To Pluto and Beyond! by Tweets that mention To Pluto and Beyond! Our thoughts on the recent IDC The Digital Universe Decade report: #dedupe -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention To Pluto and Beyond! Our thoughts on the recent IDC The Digital Universe Decade report: #dedupe -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 22:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Ocarina Networks, JPR Communications. JPR Communications said: RT @optimizestorage: To Pluto and Beyond! Our thoughts on the recent IDC The Digital Universe Decade report: http://ow.ly/1Ip0B #dedupe [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Our Thoughts on Performance and Recent Dedupe/Compression Comments by Storage's 2010 Hottest Technology &#124; The Storage Alchemist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Storage's 2010 Hottest Technology &#124; The Storage Alchemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Networks recently published a blog stating that they do &#8216;in-line&#8217; storage optimization for primary storage.</description>
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